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    Back Achers Homestead says:

    Good video. Any gun is a good gun when needed. But like you displayed get your guns in common calibers for your areas. There's lots of odd calibers or new calibers people are buying, if you are on the move that 30,000 rounds of ammo back home wont do you any good.

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    Ed Market says:

    Provided that everyone around you hasn't hunted out the local woods, I've wondered about a high powered air rifle. It doesn't take long searching YouTube to find big game animals being taken with them. And it doesn't a;arm or raise the curiosity of other people.

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    Steve A. says:

    Excellent video, you cant expect to make it in the woods, especially in Winter in areas that get cold unless you have already made it out there. Watching a few videos and buying a machete wont cut it.2 good combinations, l also always have the AR7 as a backup, light and easy to carry. Henry has really improved it and its reasonably priced. Thanks MD.

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    buck shot says:

    I like a .22 rifle. If I could only have one gun it would be a nylon 66 or maybe the Ruger 10-22. Like you said there is no perfect gun or combination of guns. Having shot the snot out of my nylon 66 I can attest to it's reliability & no breakage of parts over decades of shooting (Remington's engineers were given the task of designing a .22 rifle that could take it all & still be reliable). I will take your word that the Browning makes a good .22 pistol. I have owned many Browning products in the past as all were great guns. I too like the idea of a 9mm pistol (make mine a glock 19) & a good .22 rifle with iron sights & a scope with the ability to take the scope off w/o tools in case the scope goes south. Make sure you pick .22 ammo that will work in your firearms. FYI I bought some Browning labeled .22 ammo that was made by Winchester & none would chamber reliability in any of my semi autos. The bullets were too big in diameter. They would chamber in my bolt guns, but none in my semi autos. I tried calling Winchester, but they blew me off – total lack of customer service.

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    John Jones says:

    Hi MD
    Another great video. Thank you for great advice for those who are not
    Geared up for military combat. Most of us are just regular people
    Who want to get through the possible tough times ahead.
    Thanks for the encouragement that our meager preps aren’t a waste of time
    and with guidance and information we can succeed.

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    Cornered Fox says:

    I don't mean to be disrespectful, but the only thing I agree with you mention is a centerfire handgun. To this end however, only 3 calibers are really worth considering: 9mm, .45 ACP, and .45 Colt. The latter two have caveats, as the .45 ACP is only really worthwhile if you live somewhere with magazine restrictions while the .45 Colt is only worthwhile if you live somewhere with large dangerous game.
    An "off-the-wall" alternative possibility is 5.7 FN or .25 TCM or similar "long range" pistol rounds. I don't believe in the "scavenging ammo" myth where the streets are lined with boxes of perfectly usable ammunition just waiting for anyone to come along and pick up. So the rarity of these rounds only presents an issue if you have trouble finding/affording the gun(s) and/or ammunition.

    For the .22lr, IF you find a .22lr firearm (rifle or handgun) that's 100% reliable with all types of ammunition (and that's a very big if), you STILL have the problem that the ammunition itself is not as reliable as centerfire ammunition. Certain types and brands will be more reliable than others, but you're still looking at a higher rate of misfires.
    As for the type of game is can take, a .22 long (not even a lr) can kill record setting grizzlies, as proven at least once by history. However that does not make a .22lr an ideal caliber for bear, for so many reasons. It's pretty much the same thing with deer, save for less risk of being mauled for being an idiot. Yes a .22lr can take deer, just like it can take a large grizzly. If you're relying on it for this purpose in what is potentially a life or death situation, you're an idiot. If a poacher is being honest (and let's face it, they're not the honest type) they miss a lot.
    Also want to talk about the idea of braining the deer. Deer brains are pretty small, which is why head shots are generally ill advised. If you can reliably hit the brain of a deer, especially at 125 yards (and I'm not sure the .22lr really has the power to punch through the skull at that range), you could reliable blow the head off of a squirrel with a .50 BMG at 50 yards.

    As for the 12ga… ugh. Firstly 12ga ammunition is heavy. It weighs more than a .308 Winchester for crying out loud, which should immediately disqualify it from any "bug out" considerations. Secondly there's almost nothing that a 12ga can do that a 20ga can't do as well, while with the 20ga the gun and/or ammunition will be smaller and/or lighter. The exceptions to this are largely limited to large dangerous game like bear or moose (and yes moose are very dangerous). And in these cases you're generally better off going with a rifle specific to that kind of game as the shotgun will have greater weight and recoil, and less range, than a rifle intended for such beasts.
    Finally the reality is that shotguns are not quite as versatile as they're made out to be. They are versatile platforms, but once you load the shotgun and put the choke in it (assuming you're using removable chokes, which if you're claiming the shotgun to be versatile then it should always have the option of removable chokes) the weapon largely ceases to be versatile. It can only really take the type of game you've arranged for it to take. For example say you've loaded it with slugs for taking deer, maybe even went the extra mile and used a rifled barrel with sabot rounds. While deer hunting you see a couple squirrels running about, are you going to shoot them with a 1oz slug (or sabot which can cost upwards of $5/round)? By the way, that example exemplifies roughly 90% of my deer hunting experience (and the reverse exemplifies my experience when squirrel hunting). I do not have good luck, which is why I tend not to rely on luck for anything.
    As a last note here, about the only area a 12ga would really be superior to a 20ga (besides large game) is aerial game, as a 12ga has more pellets when firing shot. However one has to wonder, given how relatively little meat is typically obtained by such game, if it is worth it. And if aerial game is not worthwhile as a regular staple, then the debate as far as shotguns go is really between the 20ga and the .410 bore, with the 12ga being a distant 3rd.

    So what would I suggest? Trapping or fishing instead of hunting. Yes someone could come across your trap, they have to be within visual range to see your trap which in a forest should be a relatively short distance and easily missed. In contrast the report from gunfire could be heard from miles out, even from a .22lr, practically announcing your existence. If you're trying to keep your existence unknown, trapping and fishing are better methods on top of being more reliable methods for obtaining food. If you absolutely must hunt, consider a bow and arrow or air rifle of some kind (or crossbow I suppose). The firearm should be a last resort for emergency situations.

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    Things will only be banned of we allow it man. An we are absolutely not gna fkn allow it. Ud be surprised how finished we all are with tyranny.the days of being stern an cold have arrived an a couple more steps an these people are all gns have to die.

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    Robert Tempest says:

    9mm because it's a common round. 223/55.6 because if civle war/dooms day happen it's also a common round. Our milatary, cops , civilians own one. Meaning the chances of finding parts are a bit higher. I don't know about anyone else but I rather be able to grab a mag an not worry about unloading a ruger mini 14 MAG an putting it in one of my ar15 mags in a fire fight.

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    cvcoco says:

    If we are talking at the extreme minimum, why not a single-shot shotgun and a few 8-in Short Lane adapters and thats it? Nothing to carry then except a few calibers of ammo.

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    John Davis says:

    because we can't know how things will go, and it will vary from place to place, it has to be a shorty AR in 223, with a silencer, night vision, night sights, solar charger, passive IR scanner, .22lr converson unit, 60 gr softpoints in the 223, 60 gr subsonic Aquila 22 ammo, so you can take it down and hide it in your pack, gymbag, grocery sack, attache-case. and BB gun quiet (if you know to hold shut the .22 bolt with your off hand) brain deer, men, guard dogs at 50m, or a cow or horse at 10m. You want a small 9mm in your front pants pocket holster, full of AP ammo.

    You'l have to tay underground during daylight hours, Have cached food, and I mean buried around your BOL and your BOL better not be more than a night's bicycle ride from your normal AO, either. If you have to go further, you should move closer to your BOL, or change where the BOL is. Spiderholes in the woods near your local water source make the most sense. If you have to go further, better have caches along the way, and better figure on walking alongside of a mountain bicycle, with the rifle spring-clamped across the handle bars. Have 20 lbs of mission essential gear in your pack, 20 lbs of inflatable boat on the bike and another 60 lbs of gear, water and food on the bike. All it will take to stop all 4 wheeled traffic is some 3" nails and 1" lumber, both are available in the nearest wooden structure, can be extracted with your bare hands and driven in with a rock or club. Nobody's going far with 4 flat tires. The people who set up such road blocks will follow you. They will set them where you can't see them in time and where you can't just drive round them, off road. If you stop to back up or turn around, they'll shoot up your car. So forget about the roads, except MAYBE with a QUIET motorcycle, using night vision goggle, if you live near the edge of a small town, with lots of backroads to get you where you need to go.

    Much safer, again at night, showing no light, will be drifting an inflatable down creeks and rivers. You can't stay where it's cold. The animals, fish and known-edible plants will all be gone in a couple of months and in 90 days, cannibalism will be a commonplace event. You'll have to get someplace with a growing season that's nearly year round. You want a few freezing weeks, at least during the nights, to kill off the bugs, You can get thru those with plastic sheeting greenhouses for your non-hybrid sprouts and root veggies and your bodyfat.

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    John Davis says:

    A .22lr autorifle can suffice, IF it's silenced, subsonic, ammo option is present, with night vision, concealed armor, passive IR scanner, solar charge. You gotta also have enough brains to stay hidden during daylight hours and you've got a 9mm pistol in a front pants pocket holster, out of the way of the rifle, the pack, out of sight, out of the elements, accessibel. This is IF you are highly skilled with both guns, with either hand/eye, and have AP ammo in the pistol, and night sights on both guns..

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    John Davis says:

    to be somewhat ready for shtf costs $50.000 and will take every hour of your spare time for 3 years, folks. you need training about survival, hand to hand, shooting, healthcare, all sorts of stuff and it's expensive. you'll need to fire many thousands of shots. Some of it can be done with dryfire, airsoft, .177 pellet guns. 22lr conversion units, cast lead handgun reloads. etc, but it's still going to run about $5000 to learn and $2000 per year to maintain decent skill levels. Ditto the hand to hand. You need to learn gardening, food preservation, hunting, fishing, trapping.


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